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i wanted just go back to the fiscal cliff just for a scond. that is, the republican messaging, if you will. they have an opportunity here, it seems to me, as well as a problem, but i dn't hear creative, imaginative, if you will, rhetic or language or positioning or messaging. >> we have been for about three years now. so i think there's no reason for it to start now. what house republicans have to understand is they are the republican party for the next four years and have to have messaging and basically tell the american public what there doing and why they're doing it. they can't be for tax cuts, for spending cuts. they have to articulate how it fits in the big picture. there are some skilled people that need to step forward. lou: would i be too cynical to say that perhaps the president has an additional advantage in this little carrousel of nonsense around the fiscal clef in that it also deflects and distracts from that half trillion dollars in new taxes that will be hitting the middle class in this country as a resultf obamacare beginning
i wanted just go back to the fiscal cliff just for a scond. that is, the republican messaging, if you will. they have an opportunity here, it seems to me, as well as a problem, but i dn't hear creative, imaginative, if you will, rhetic or language or positioning or messaging. >> we have been for about three years now. so i think there's no reason for it to start now. what house republicans have to understand is they are the republican party for the next four years and have to have...
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to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in himself, admitting talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also described the moment when secretary geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> wha
to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in himself, admitting talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also described the moment when secretary geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was just flabbergasted. i...
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cliff republicans would be to blame. so nancy pelosi, little scamp that she is, she is threatening -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] she threatens to force a vote if the republicans don't act on the middle class tax cuts. tee-hee. i'm guessing boehner is going to be -- >> flabbergasted. >> it has never been done before. >> ever. flabbergasting. >> it is flabbergasting. >> stephanie: flabbergastacious. >> i'm impressed by your flabbergastivity. >> stephanie: lindsey graham went on to say we'll lose everything we know as america if we don't fix entitlements. we're becoming the greece of out-of-control spending. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> it in no way does that. >> stephanie: shut down that argument. the spending graphs of who -- >> nonsense. >> also, greece is falling apart because of the austerity programs implemented by the inf and the world bank. >> stephanie: we have references on that. they're wrong wrong wrong on everything. [ wah wah ] >> stephanie: i'm flabbergasted how wrong they are. 17 minutes arrive the hour. yo
cliff republicans would be to blame. so nancy pelosi, little scamp that she is, she is threatening -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] she threatens to force a vote if the republicans don't act on the middle class tax cuts. tee-hee. i'm guessing boehner is going to be -- >> flabbergasted. >> it has never been done before. >> ever. flabbergasting. >> it is flabbergasting. >> stephanie: flabbergastacious. >> i'm impressed by your flabbergastivity....
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so many republicans say they are pessimistic about a deal happening in time to avert this fiscal cliff. some say it's for political reasons. what can you tell us? >> it may all be for political reasons. that's no surprise in washington. as you can seen through dealmaking not just on this but things in the past couple of years between the white house and congress, there is almost this rhythm that has evolved. both sides are pointing to the other for an impasse. republicans like senator lindeyy graham just slamming the white house and tim geithner for a plan he laid out on behalf of the administration, laying out about $1.6 trillion in new revenues coupled with only about $400 billion in medicare cuts. listen to what graham said. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare, medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. the president's plan when it comes to entitlement form is quite frankly a joke. >> so over the weekend the sunday shows, you sa
so many republicans say they are pessimistic about a deal happening in time to avert this fiscal cliff. some say it's for political reasons. what can you tell us? >> it may all be for political reasons. that's no surprise in washington. as you can seen through dealmaking not just on this but things in the past couple of years between the white house and congress, there is almost this rhythm that has evolved. both sides are pointing to the other for an impasse. republicans like senator...
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i'm really encouraged that we can avoid this fiscal cliff for a number of reasons. first of all, there is a growing group of republicans who say we really need to raise revenue, not just talk about raising revenue, but actually increase taxes on the wealthiest 2%. and they're willing to consider those kinds of taxes that the president proposed so that middle-class americans, the 98%, will not see any taxes. and second i'm encouraged because some of the businesses, in fact a growing number of businesses, moderate and constructively, are proposing that the president's plan make sense. but the major developments that really for the republicans to come forward with some of their specifics. and specific terms, and proposals if they say they want to avoid these tax increases. they need to be more specific. on how to do it. >> you keep using the word encourage and i'll read you some other words that have come from lindsey graham. he said it's a joke. it's not serious. and it, you know, you might be encouraged but treasury secretary geithner did not seem all that encouraged
i'm really encouraged that we can avoid this fiscal cliff for a number of reasons. first of all, there is a growing group of republicans who say we really need to raise revenue, not just talk about raising revenue, but actually increase taxes on the wealthiest 2%. and they're willing to consider those kinds of taxes that the president proposed so that middle-class americans, the 98%, will not see any taxes. and second i'm encouraged because some of the businesses, in fact a growing number of...
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i mean the fiscal cliff is not so rocket sciences. we've got one bill. you can make it more complicated, but certainly, one way to look at it is let's take this one bill that the president talks about. it's passed the senate bi-partisan support. the president says he will sign it. it will give every myrna tax cut on the first $250,000 worth of income. this is a no-brainer. isn't it? >> william -- >> shouldn't it be a no-brainer? >> it puts republicans in a corner who wants to vote against a bill that extends a middle class tax cut? nobody but of course republicans make the argument, well we can't just extend it. we have to extend all of them. with the economy, it isn't fair blah, blah, blah. we have heard this for months. longs longer than months. now that obama won, he has this new leverage. he's got a lot going for him finally, and he has the cojones to put a deal on the table as a starting bid in the negotiations that isn't already caving. this is the first. republicans are acting like we were saying during break that john boehner was flabbergasted by
i mean the fiscal cliff is not so rocket sciences. we've got one bill. you can make it more complicated, but certainly, one way to look at it is let's take this one bill that the president talks about. it's passed the senate bi-partisan support. the president says he will sign it. it will give every myrna tax cut on the first $250,000 worth of income. this is a no-brainer. isn't it? >> william -- >> shouldn't it be a no-brainer? >> it puts republicans in a corner who wants to...
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in check. >>> anybody wants to go over the cliff. >> the new concerns the country is headed for the fiscal cliff. n [ laughter ] [ girl ] wow, you guys have it easy. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through...